[ICTs-and-Society] statement of alternative informatics about gezi park and social media

[Andrew Feenberg]

Your interpretation of the May Events is surprising. What are the sources on which you rely? Were you there?

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From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt at n0name.de>
To: "Andrew Feenberg" <feenberg at sfu.ca>
Cc: discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net, "Seda Guerses" <sguerses at esat.kuleuven.be>
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 2:51:15 PM
Subject: Re[4]: [ICTs-and-Society] statement of alternative informatics about gezi park and social media

Hi,

you are right, it's more complicated than your 'simple comment'. It is a
question of social theorists work and revolutionary critique.

> The students supported the workers and suppressed looting.

_The_ students? Some wanted to loot and most workers simply got back to
work after some days. Remember the divisions of Enragés and Maoists,
there you can find the trends.

We have a comparable situation in Turkey (as perhaps always): Here _the_
students as protesters cleaning streets, there ... .

Right, the fact that radio is "owned by somebody" is crucial.

Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 12:17:23 PM, you wrote:
> I can't understand your response to my simple comment. You complicate
> things! As for the "not support for looting, etc." I can make no sense
> of your syntax. Do you think the student movement did not support the
> workers and should have been in favor of looting, or against looting?
> The students supported the workers and suppressed looting. The radio
> network in Luxemburg played a major role and it was owned by somebody,
> not the movement.

>> The political layer though was the
>> strategic mistake of not having support by workers for lootings and the
>> taking over of the production itself


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