[ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report

[Z. Karvalics László]

Dear Jakob,
Thanks for your excellent point!
It makes me to underline the importance of the discoursive diversity, too. Have you, guys, ever heard the name of Ferenc Janossy, an engineer and economist, the step-son of George Lukacs? Living and working in Hungary in the fifties, sixties and seventies, he was not able to be recognized as an original and influential thinker worldwide. But his abstraction level and scenario for the transition to a post-capitalist coordination culture would be very transformative in our contemporary debates - and how many other pieces of potential contributions are in the shadow from other countries of Eastern Europe, perhaps, because the lack of integration into the mainstream narratives, dominated by not only the English language, but the logocratic and ritual Anglo-saxon protocol of how to make science and how to construct a publication. (Please, disregard this final off-topic comment) :-)   

Laszlo   



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From: Jakob Rigi [mailto:rigij at ceu.hu] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:55 PM
To: discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net; christian.fuchs at uti.at
Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report

Hello all,


Very good points Christian.  But, if we approach this debate from the point of a fully fledged communist society in future, recognition will, still, remain a major issue. Imagine that we live in a society that wealth is distributed according to need, not contribution of labor. In such a society people are compensated for their contribution to production by recognition by others. This will not promote egoism, because, through such a recognition, the individual becomes immediately social. The extension  of every one`s individuality will not be determined in an antagonistic relation (competition with) to others but in the service to others and through their recognition. As Merton taught us science has always  been a communistic affair, and  recognition is a main means of reciprocity among scientists. Of course as Ursula pointed out science and knowledge are the result of collective and cumulative cooperation among numerous people from the Dawn of history. But, there are those who, for what ever reason, make original contributions. And we need to recognize this. Of course, I know that neo-liberalism has commoditized fame. But, a healthy recognition still matter in any egalitarian community.


 


best
Jakob



>>> Christian Fuchs  01/07/13 7:20 PM >>>
Hello all,

This is an interesting discussion about the nature and history of Internet Studies.

I think a contemporary important question is, which forms of Internet Studies there are, what the main topics are  now and which ones are emerging for the future, what the role of social theory, empirical research, ethics and critique is or should be for Internet Studies, etc.

What kind of Internet Studies do we have? What kind do we desire? And what kind do we need and what for?

Best wishes, Christian


Am 1/7/13 5:37 PM, schrieb Kaarle Nordenstreng:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> My response to Lazlo a while ago was written before seeing Ursula's 
> flash in the list. She has a point but so have Lazlo and Niels Ole,
who
> -- like me -- just made a polite reminder of earlier research
tradition.
> Naturally we who have been personally involved in earlier research
often
> overemphasize its significance, but the scholarly community has also
an
> unhealthy tendecy to forget about "the shoulders of our predecessors".
>
> Ceterum censeo: sharp debate is welcome, but too sharp and personal 
> turns are not conducive to a healthy growth an academic field.
>
> With best regards,
> Kaarle
>
> Lainaus Ursula Huws :
>
>> This seems to be a particularly pointless argument to be having.
>> Scholars in a variety of disciplines have been studying the internet 
>> since the early 1990s. In many cases this built on earlier research
on
>> ‘socio-technical systems’, the ‘information society’ and numerous 
>> other designations. To bring these discussions together under the 
>> broad heading of ‘internet studies’ is useful. To pretend that in so 
>> doing anyone has invented a new field of study is fatuous nonsense.
We
>> all stand on the shoulders of our predecessors. A failure to
recognise
>> this is a sign, not of originality, but of blinkered vision (possibly 
>> combined with an over-inflated sense of self-importance).
>> Ursula Huws
>>
>> From: discussion-bounces at lists.icts-and-society.net
>> [mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.icts-and-society.net] On Behalf Of
Z.
>> Karvalics László
>> Sent: 07 January 2013 13:30
>> To: 'Niels Ole Finnemann'; 'Mathieu ONeil'; 
>> discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net
>> Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report
>>
>> Dear Collegues,
>>
>> Just for the record, as a part of the landscape:
>> Other dedicated, systematic social science focused research on 
>> Internet and society has been started around 2000 in research 
>> institutes, devoted to information society research in Tampere (2001) 
>> and Budapest (1998).
>> Best
>>
>> Laszlo Z. Karvalics
>>
>> From: Niels Ole Finnemann [mailto:finneman at imv.au.dk]
>> Sent: Monday, Janua>> Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala 
>> conference report
>>
>> Thanks a lot  for these interesting accounts.
>> I have a very small correction however. In the opening it is said 
>> “Internet studies have historically developed in the United States.
>> The Oxford Internet Institute (OII) was the first Internet research 
>> centre to be launched in Europe, in 2001.”
>>
>> This is not quite correct as we initiated a Center for Internet 
>> Research in September 2000 at Aarhus University in order “to promote 
>> research on the social and cultural functions and meanings of the 
>> internet”.
>> Prior to that we had a series of conferences on internet studies.
>> The center still exist and you can an overview of its history and 
>> activities at http://cfi.au.dk/ - for the early history:
>> http://cfi.au.dk/news/2000/
>> Of course the OII have been much more influential, but anyway.
>> Best regards
>> Niels Ole Finnemann
>>
>> Fra:
>> discussion-bounces at lists.icts-and-society.net
>> [mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.icts-and-society.net] På vegne af 
>> Mathieu ONeil
>> Sendt: 7. januar 2013 12:09
>> Til:
>> discussion at lists.icts-and-society.net
>>
>> Emne: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> In case you missed it, here is another account of the conference, 
>> recently published in InMedia:
>>
>> Mathieu O'Neil, "Internet Studies in Europe. Symposium on Internet
and
>> Society, 25-28 October 2011, Humboldt University, Berlin; ICTs and 
>> Society Conference, 2-4 May 2012, Uppsala University, Uppsala".
>>
>> http://inmedia.revues.org/489#article-489
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mathieu
>>
>> On 01/07/13, Christian Fuchs
>> > wrote:
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Please find below a link to a report on the Uppsala ICTs & Society 
>> conference.
>>
>> Best, Christian
>>
>> Fuchs, Christian. 2012. Conference Report: The 4th ICTs and Society
>> Conference: Critique, Democracy and Philosophy in 21st Century 
>> Information Society. Nordicom Information 34 (3-4): 89-99.
>> http://fuchs.uti.at/wp-content/NI.pdf
>>
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