<div>Hello everybody,<br></div><div> </div><div>This is my first participation on the list. As an argentine living in Brazil, I ask to be forgived if my english is poor or not clear enough. </div><div>Trying to think about the "specificity" - or diversity - of Internet as an object of study, I can´t avoid thinking about the macro contexts (social, cultural, economic, political, etc) in which Internet bases its conditions of existence. The mere complexity of the contexts - specially the new social practices and the changes and renovation of the dimensions of social and technological mediatization in societies immersed in economies of information, requires surely a redefinition of paradigms with which we conceptualize questions as: value construction, public and private life, collective creation of knowledge, social construction of time and space, etc etc. And surely the necessity of rethinking the production triad (production, circulation and consumming), giving a stronger role to the processes of circulation and value creation.</div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I hope my english is realy "readable"</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Cheers to all, Eduardo </div><div> </div><div><br> </div><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/7 Jakob Rigi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rigij@ceu.hu" target="_blank">rigij@ceu.hu</a>></span><br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">Hello all,<br>
<br>
<br>
Very good points Christian. But, if we approach this debate from the<br>
point of a fully fledged communist society in future, recognition will,<br>
still, remain a major issue. Imagine that we live in a society that<br>
wealth is distributed according to need, not contribution of labor. In<br>
such a society people are compensated for their contribution to<br>
production by recognition by others. This will not promote egoism,<br>
because, through such a recognition, the individual becomes immediately<br>
social. The extension of every one`s individuality will not be<br>
determined in an antagonistic relation (competition with) to others but<br>
in the service to others and through their recognition. As Merton taught<br>
us science has always been a communistic affair, and recognition is a<br>
main means of reciprocity among scientists. Of course as Ursula pointed<br>
out science and knowledge are the result of collective and cumulative<br>
cooperation among numerous people from the Dawn of history. But, there<br>
are those who, for what ever reason, make original contributions. And we<br>
need to recognize this. Of course, I know that neo-liberalism has<br>
commoditized fame. But, a healthy recognition still matter in any<br>
egalitarian community.<br>
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best<br>
Jakob<br>
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>>> Christian Fuchs 01/07/13 7:20 PM >>><br>
<div><div>Hello all,<br>
<br>
This is an interesting discussion about the nature and history of<br>
Internet Studies.<br>
<br>
I think a contemporary important question is, which forms of Internet<br>
Studies there are, what the main topics are now and which ones are<br>
emerging for the future, what the role of social theory, empirical<br>
research, ethics and critique is or should be for Internet Studies, etc.<br>
<br>
What kind of Internet Studies do we have? What kind do we desire? And<br>
what kind do we need and what for?<br>
<br>
Best wishes, Christian<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 1/7/13 5:37 PM, schrieb Kaarle Nordenstreng:<br>
> Dear colleagues,<br>
><br>
> My response to Lazlo a while ago was written before seeing Ursula's<br>
> flash in the list. She has a point but so have Lazlo and Niels Ole,<br>
who<br>
> -- like me -- just made a polite reminder of earlier research<br>
tradition.<br>
> Naturally we who have been personally involved in earlier research<br>
often<br>
> overemphasize its significance, but the scholarly community has also<br>
an<br>
> unhealthy tendecy to forget about "the shoulders of our predecessors".<br>
><br>
> Ceterum censeo: sharp debate is welcome, but too sharp and personal<br>
> turns are not conducive to a healthy growth an academic field.<br>
><br>
> With best regards,<br>
> Kaarle<br>
><br>
</div></div>> Lainaus Ursula Huws :<br>
<div><div>><br>
>> This seems to be a particularly pointless argument to be having.<br>
>> Scholars in a variety of disciplines have been studying the internet<br>
>> since the early 1990s. In many cases this built on earlier research<br>
on<br>
>> ‘socio-technical systems’, the ‘information society’ and numerous<br>
>> other designations. To bring these discussions together under the<br>
>> broad heading of ‘internet studies’ is useful. To pretend that in so<br>
>> doing anyone has invented a new field of study is fatuous nonsense.<br>
We<br>
>> all stand on the shoulders of our predecessors. A failure to<br>
recognise<br>
>> this is a sign, not of originality, but of blinkered vision (possibly<br>
>> combined with an over-inflated sense of self-importance).<br>
>> Ursula Huws<br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Z.<br>
>> Karvalics László<br>
>> Sent: 07 January 2013 13:30<br>
>> To: 'Niels Ole Finnemann'; 'Mathieu ONeil';<br>
>> <a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Collegues,<br>
>><br>
>> Just for the record, as a part of the landscape:<br>
>> Other dedicated, systematic social science focused research on<br>
>> Internet and society has been started around 2000 in research<br>
>> institutes, devoted to information society research in Tampere (2001)<br>
>> and Budapest (1998).<br>
>> Best<br>
>><br>
>> Laszlo Z. Karvalics<br>
>><br>
>> From: Niels Ole Finnemann [mailto:<a href="mailto:finneman@imv.au.dk" target="_blank">finneman@imv.au.dk</a>]<br>
</div></div>>> Sent: Monday, Janua>> Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report<br>
<div>>><br>
>> Thanks a lot for these interesting accounts.<br>
>> I have a very small correction however. In the opening it is said<br>
>> “Internet studies have historically developed in the United States.<br>
>> The Oxford Internet Institute (OII) was the first Internet research<br>
>> centre to be launched in Europe, in 2001.”<br>
>><br>
>> This is not quite correct as we initiated a Center for Internet<br>
>> Research in September 2000 at Aarhus University in order “to promote<br>
>> research on the social and cultural functions and meanings of the<br>
>> internet”.<br>
>> Prior to that we had a series of conferences on internet studies.<br>
>> The center still exist and you can an overview of its history and<br>
>> activities at <a href="http://cfi.au.dk/" target="_blank">http://cfi.au.dk/</a> - for the early history:<br>
>> <a href="http://cfi.au.dk/news/2000/" target="_blank">http://cfi.au.dk/news/2000/</a><br>
>> Of course the OII have been much more influential, but anyway.<br>
>> Best regards<br>
>> Niels Ole Finnemann<br>
>><br>
>> Fra:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>] På vegne af<br>
>> Mathieu ONeil<br>
>> Sendt: 7. januar 2013 12:09<br>
>> Til:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br>
>><br>
</div><div>>> Emne: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Uppsala conference report<br>
>><br>
>> Hi everyone<br>
>><br>
>> In case you missed it, here is another account of the conference,<br>
>> recently published in InMedia:<br>
>><br>
>> Mathieu O'Neil, "Internet Studies in Europe. Symposium on Internet<br>
and<br>
>> Society, 25-28 October 2011, Humboldt University, Berlin; ICTs and<br>
>> Society Conference, 2-4 May 2012, Uppsala University, Uppsala".<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://inmedia.revues.org/489#article-489" target="_blank">http://inmedia.revues.org/489#article-489</a><br>
>><br>
>> cheers<br>
>><br>
>> Mathieu<br>
>><br>
>> On 01/07/13, Christian Fuchs<br>
</div><div>>> > wrote:<br>
>> Dear colleagues,<br>
>><br>
>> Please find below a link to a report on the Uppsala ICTs & Society<br>
>> conference.<br>
>><br>
>> Best, Christian<br>
>><br>
>> Fuchs, Christian. 2012. Conference Report: The 4th ICTs and Society<br>
>> Conference: Critique, Democracy and Philosophy in 21st Century<br>
>> Information Society. Nordicom Information 34 (3-4): 89-99.<br>
>> <a href="http://fuchs.uti.at/wp-content/NI.pdf" target="_blank">http://fuchs.uti.at/wp-content/NI.pdf</a><br>
>><br>
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