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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for a very interesting discussion. Also Interesting to see how a list suddenly becomes a community... Like a few of the former commentators I will not be able to participate in the conference, but I would like to make two remarks. First, I believe that the democratizing and participatory role of digital media in the end depends on the particular society and culture in question. If there is a self-conscious modern (educated) middleclass (case Huffington Post) or a middleclass on the rise (case: Ohmynews in South Korea) they will no doubt utilize the whole array of media available in the political efforts. If the middle class is more settled and privileged we probably won’t see the same amount of political activities. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We are maybe too often assuming that the internet or certain parts of it plays the same role in different societies. Second, I also believe that it is a mistake to look upon digital media practices as isolated from other media. In a survey on media-usage in Denmark (2009-data) we found that old mass media websites were heavily used. The national Public Service television is by far the most used but also the commercial quality news papers are present and heavily used. So were Facebook and Google and similar sites, but we also found that there is a very long tail of individualized usages. Finally it may be of relevance that also young people are heavy users of “old media”, be it radio, television, magazines and books. They are also heavy users of mobile phones, though the smart phone had not really taken off at the time. Only a very small minority however were using Twitter and this is still a fact in Denmark. How can this be explained in a country where approx 90% of the whole population has Internet access at home and there more than one mobile phone per inhabitant? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Most people, including young people do not choose media due to whether they are digital or not, but due to convenience for a particular purpose in a particular situation. Digital media are often the most convenient. People compose their own, individualised media-menus, choosing from the whole array. Concerning Facebook it seems that it is today gradually changing from primarily being used for social/phatic everyday life communication, (though not spoken but written) and maybe reconnecting many of those who were bowling alone in the 90-es. Today Facebook is also used to connect these many, relatively isolated social circles and the public at large – and it is also used both by journalists, by media and by politicians who try to bypass the mass media gatekeepers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the case of Denmark, I believe this is best understood as a kind of response to the gulf between the political parties and middle class people, it may be different in other countries also because the overall media systems are very different. But who really knows yet?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Niels Ole Finnemann<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Professor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Center for Internet Research<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Media Studies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aarhus University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Denmark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Fra:</span></b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sylvain Firer-Blaess [mailto:Sylvain.firer@gmail.com] <br><b>Sendt:</b> 28. februar 2012 11:34<br><b>Til:</b> discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net<br><b>Emne:</b> Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Fwd: RE: Plenary session 3 “Social Media, Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you all for this exciting discussion!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In reply to Christian, even if the critique of the dominant Californian ideology of technology as revolutionary is needed, one should not dismiss all their claims and automatically go into the opposite direction. One position as dangerous as techno-determinism is the opposite thinking that technology does not influence social systems. We can (maybe?) all agree that modes of production and relations of production have a considerable impact on the shaping of the overall social system. Those are certainly much more important than the influence of technology. Yet technology has also a sensible impact on the overall social system.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>New media can surely strengthen representative democracy, <i>à la </i>Habermas, in the case where new media strengthen the public sphere which backs representative democracy and gives it its rational discourse property (from Habermas's <i>Between Facts and Norms</i>). However, representative democracy is an inherently flawed and sub-optimal political system that should be replaced with direct/participatory democracy. During the French revolution representative democracy had been, at first, chosen as a lesser evil and for practical matters, because of the practical impossibilities of the communication system of the time to bring direct democracy into practice. This idea of "lesser evil" is very clear in the writings of the French <i>Lumières</i>, Rousseau being the best example.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now the rise of new media makes participatory democracy possible. Not to say that new media <i>will </i>bring participatory democracy, that would be techno-determinism. Many other requirements have do be met in order to bring participatory democracy, the most importants being changes in the mode of production and the relations of production. But still, the rise of new media is a first <i>distortion</i> within the social system for a change from representative to participatory democracy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>About Jodi's critique of social media: from what I remember, the hypothesis that reliance on electronic media means less direct involvement with people has met contradictory results in the social sciences, so we still don't know. However, it seems that recent research, like that of Megan Bowler, shows that the Internet facilitates new political movement rather than atomizes people. But maybe it has an effect of atomization in other social practices. I still tend to agree with Ben Klass that online activism and IRL activism are not rival goods and entering in a zero-sum game; but more empirical studies are needed to confirm this view. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for reading! :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sylvain Firer-Blaess<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>PhD Cand., Uppsala<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2012/2/28 Christian Fuchs <<a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@uti.at">christian.fuchs@uti.at</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>From Ben Klaess <a href="mailto:benjiklass@hotmail.com" target="_blank">benjiklass@hotmail.com</a>:<br><br><br><br>I must not have made my thoughts clear enough, because it appears that I have been misunderstood.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Jodi,<br><br>You said: "If you associate interaction online with healthy deliberative<br>democracy, then I would expect that you would associate more interaction<br>online with more democracy or with healthier democracy." I have not<br>argued that online interactivity is a sufficient cause of better and<br>broader democracy. Of course it is not; I do not even think it is a<br>necessary cause. What I do think is that access to networked<br>communication media is a facilitator of democratic participation; it<br>fosters the spread of information, awareness (of issues, viewpoints,<br>events, etc), dialogue etc. Christian recognized this when he said:<br>"Nobody doubts that communication technology as a tool [...] can support<br>information, co-ordination, communication" and so on and so forth. This<br>is relevant for a number of reasons, of which I would like to discuss two.<br><br>First is the assumption, implicit in Gladwell's article, that "online<br>activism" and "in-real-life (IRL) activism" are rival goods: that we<br>play a zero sum game when clicking "like" on Facebook or participating<br>in a discussion on reddit. This is clear when he says: "[Social media<br>evangelists] seem to believe [...] that signing up for a donor registry<br>in Silicon Valley today is activism in the same sense as sitting at a<br>segregated lunch counter in Greensboro in 1960." This is the idea of<br>"slacktivism": that a user will "like" some cause, or join some group,<br>pat herself on the back, and then immediately return to looking at<br>pictures of cats with grammatically incorrect captions. This is the<br>technologically-determinate aspect that Christian described. Are<br>Facebook and Twitter revolutionary, because they create the technical<br>conditions for people to "like" causes? No, of course not. In most<br>cases, the ideology that they are inherently revolutionary is designed<br>to prevent them from being so. We must be critical of services that cast<br>a shadow over people's ability to see them for what they are: capitalist<br>companies aimed toward exploiting free labor generated by unsuspecting<br>users.<br><br>It isn't all bad though; the existence of slacktivism or hidden<br>profit-motive does not detract from actual revolutionary uses of social<br>media. While commercial media pundits were collectively scratching their<br>heads, wondering "Just what does the Occupy movement stand for?" on<br>National and Local TV stations, organizers were busy utilizing<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>decentralized Web 2.0 tools to /facilitate/ their protests. These tools<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>allowed them to establish and expand an authentic, grassroots movement,<br>prior to having to involve other, more short-sighted groups, for fear<br>that they might be "like the SEIU, Teamsters and United Auto Workers,<br>which are top down and centralized, joined at the hip with the<br>Democratic Party and eager, even desperate, to be the junior partner of<br>capital." Think of Andrew's example of mimeo machines (Had to wikipedia<br>that one) and telephone trees. Without easy access to Web 2.0 types of<br>communicative tools, which allowed individuals to develop, organize and<br>express the Occupy movement on their own terms, would we have gotten the<br>Occupy movement at all? Or would it have fizzled into a cacophony of<br>bourgeois musings about the economy? Notice that the use of network<br>media did not preclude or prevent the amalgamation of more traditional<br>forms of protest down the line: Unions crucially lent support and people<br>across the country, and in fact up here in Canada too, hit the streets<br>in a still ongoing IRL protest, but only once network media-facilitated<br>organization had taken place; the protest started on the Internet, and<br>throughout, awareness of it, including its day to day events as well as<br>its beliefs and demands, has been spread not by the mainstream media,<br>but through the Internet.<br><br>This leads to the second point. Our point of reference when gauging<br>social media's efficacy as a tool is its predecessor, commercial media.<br>Organized to develop lowest common denominator content aimed at passive<br>receivers of information, with the goal of generating maximum<br>ad-revenue, commercial media is and always has been an inferior<br>mechanism for facilitating grassroots movements. I would be curious to<br>find out the nature of the role the mass media played in framing the<br>sit-ins Gladwell describes. I can only guess that they weren't portrayed<br>in a positive light; I feel more confident in stating that they<br>certainly did not facilitate organization of movements at anywhere near<br>a grassroots or radical level. Viewed in this light, networked<br>information media are clearly preferable to our previous option, the<br>only one that was available on a wide scale before the emergence and<br>critical-mass adoption of Internet media technologies. Exploitative<br>capitalist motivations do not exert influence over networked media<br>anywhere near the extent to which they did over traditional mass media,<br>and as such I think that we should not be so quick to discount the<br>benefits of mass media to revolutionary politics.<br><br>I find it a bit curious that you would reference the thirty-forty year<br>trend that saw a 275% increase in the 1%'s earnings. Interactive, Web<br>2.0 models only began to displace static-web, walled-garden (AOL-style)<br>Internet use on a wide scale about 10 years ago. The rest of the period<br>was dominated by commercial media. Is it appropriate or relevant to<br>claim that "online interaction has been accompanied by immense<br>concentrations of wealth" in such a direct way?<br><br>Just my thoughts for now,<br>Ben<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:19:14 +0100<br> > From: <a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@uti.at" target="_blank">christian.fuchs@uti.at</a><br> > To: <a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br> > Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Plenary session 3 “Social Media,<br>Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian<br>Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<br> ><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> > I agree with Jodi. I do not fully disagree with those who disagree with<br> > her, but think we must take a look what the dominant claims about social<br> > media actually are and where they come from.<br> ><br> > I think that what we have to see that the most frequent claims about<br> > social media (in the media, by politicians, and especially in management<br> > and business literature and by companies and managers) are that<br> > Facebook, Twitter, etc are revolutionary - and by revolutionary they<br> > mean the technology itself and that it automatically brings about more<br> > democracy. Democracy is reduced to technology.<br> ><br> > Now, nobody doubts that communication technology as a tool in a<br> > critical-political context can support information, co-ordination,<br> > communication, collaboration processes that aim at bringing about<br> > working class struggles, protests, revolutions, questioning domination,<br> > etc. But given that there is so much techno-deterministic uncritical<br> > optimism and techno-fetishistic ideological myth-making surrounding<br> > "socail media", it is necessary to point out the limits of social media,<br> > and I think that is what critical scholars now tend to point out more<br> > and more. So I agree with Jodi.<br> ><br> > The problem are social media ideologies and how corporate social media<br> > function for exploiting the digital labour of users. There is both a<br> > political economy and an ideology side of it. At the same time, social<br> > media bring about new potentials for the socialization of the<br> > intellectual productive forces and the means of struggles. So there is<br> > also an aspect of (potential) struggles and alternative media. These are<br> > only potentials that can be transformed into realities via class<br>struggles.<br> ><br> > The question is if Internet-mediated democracy is a goal or a reality<br> > and what we understand by democracy.<br> ><br> > Liberal representative democracy is a reality at least in some<br> > countries, although its very principles are permanently questioned by<br> > the warfare- and surveillance-state. But what shall be the desirable<br> > form of democracy? Liberal representative democracy that is inherently<br> > bound up with the idea of private property and therefore with inequality<br> > - or socialist participatory democracy?<br> ><br> > The problem is that too much social media optimism ends up in a love<br> > affair with the very business and its gurus that are at the heart of the<br> > problems we are facing today - capitalist crisis, global inequality,<br> > global war, etc.<br> ><br> > Best, Christian<br> ><br> ><br> > Am 2/27/12 8:04 PM, schrieb Dean, Jodi:<br> > ><br> > > Ben,<br> > ><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> > > If you associate interaction online with healthy deliberative<br>democracy, then I would expect that you would associate more interaction<br>online with more democracy<br> > > or with healthier democracy.<br> > ><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> > > Yet the increase of online interaction has been accompanied by<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>immense concentrations of wealth, that is to say, dramatic increases in<br>inequality such that the lives of<br> > > the majority of people in the US are economically worse than they<br>were 30-40 years ago. The wealth and privilege of the top one percent<br>has increased approximately<br> > > 275 % in this time period.<br> > ><br> > > So what is all this "deliberation" accomplishing? If this is what<br>democracy looks like, then democracy looks pretty inadequate as a<br>political form for achieving anything like<br> > > economic and social equality.<br> > ><br> > > By "turn out" I mean getting people out on the street, to show up<br>for an event or demonstration. Liking on FB is less politically<br>efficacious than blockading a road or<br> > > occupying a building.<br> > ><br> > > But, perhaps for those who think that deliberation is enough, that<br>as long as people are liking and pointing and clicking, then this isn't<br>a problem. From this perspective,<br> > > it's great that there are far right bloggers and racist message<br>boards, and Tea Party email lists, because at least people are<br>participating.<br> > ><br> > > I oppose this view because I think it enhances those elements of<br>communicative capitalism that impede left organization.<br> > ><br> > > Jodi<br> > ><br> > > ________________________________________<br> > > From: ben klass [<a href="mailto:benjiklass@hotmail.com" target="_blank">benjiklass@hotmail.com</a>]<br> > > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:19 PM<br> > > To: <a href="mailto:epetrovna@gmail.com" target="_blank">epetrovna@gmail.com</a>; Dean, Jodi;<br><a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br> > > Subject: RE: [ICTs-and-Society] Plenary session 3 “Social Media,<br>Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian<br>Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<br> > ><br> > > I also agree with the sentiment expressed by Ekaterina and Andrew.<br> > ><br> > > In response to Jodi's thoughts, we might look at Robert Putnam's<br>Bowling Alone as a reference. From his point of view, of a decline in<br>'social capital', with regard to democratic involvement (p170-177), has<br>been a real trend, at least in America, over the past few decades. If we<br>accept this, then I would argue that an increased engagement in "any<br>kind of politics" is laudable. If we're interested in a healthy,<br>deliberative democracy, then a forum for promoting awareness, at least,<br>but more importantly discussion amongst people holding various and often<br>contradictory political positions is desirable. This is of course<br>leaving aside the fact that Facebook is exploitative of "knowledge<br>labor" (if we accept this concept), but that may well be beside the<br>point in this case.<br> > ><br> > > I'm not sure exactly how to respond to Jodi's first point, that<br>"turn out" is less viz. Facebook than it is with regard to "direct<br>contact". I would argue that, with regard to the second, that<br>participating in a discussion, even as basic as commenting on a post or<br>clicking "like" does itself constitute more, not less direct engagement.<br>The use of "social media" and the internet in general streamlines the<br>process of being directly involved with others in terms of discussion,<br>argument and contact in general, and I think that this mailing list is<br>an obvious example. A lot of the discussion so far has focused on FB, or<br>other similar "social media sites" (twitter, diaspora, etc), but let's<br>not forget that email, IRC, USEnet, blogs, forums, etc are all forms of<br>social media. "Direct involvement" seems to me to be a subjective term,<br>and I guess what I am saying is that I see no reason why these social<br>media forms wouldn't be considered direct and involved.<br> > ><br> > > I also think that, in regard to the third point, networked media<br>facilitate, rather than diminish organizational capability. This speaks<br>to Andrew's point earlier regarding the naivete of Gladwell's article,<br>which wrongly counterposes political activity IRL and online political<br>awareness. To think that these two things are rival goods is, as Andrew<br>said, to miss the point. Ekaterina's most recent reply this points this<br>out: "Farmville" and other distractions coexist with serious political<br>discourse online, and often create a casual atmosphere that may draw<br>awareness to issues to which people may not otherwise have been exposed.<br>More to the point, we would have to ignore the SOPA/PIPA protest and<br>action in the States, ACTA protests in Europe and negative public<br>reaction to bills C-11 and C-30 in Canada to make the case that raising<br>social awareness somehow takes away from political action. Benkler makes<br>the salient point in Wealth of Networks that the uses of new forms of me<br> > dia, while potentially diminishing the roles of the old, do not<br>wholly occlude them, and in our case here I think that the presence of<br>"online activism" has been seen to act as a complement to and a catalyst<br>for IRL activism, not its replacement. We must also keep in mind the<br>point of reference: it seems the potential for creating calls-to-arms<br>amongst the general public is considerably greater in a decentralized<br>social media atmosphere than it was during the industrial, ad-revenue<br>driven commercial media era, in which "eyeballs were bought and sold"<br>and couch potatoes were the primary commodity.<br> > ><br> > > I hope this isn't viewed as uncritical, as I assure you I am<br>familiar with, and to a certain degree I share the concerns of thinkers<br>such as Evgeny Morozov and Darin Barney. However, alarmism isn't the<br>primary feature of my research, and although I consider it and respond<br>when appropriate, to simply dismiss the motivational power of networked<br>media would be, as Andrew pointed out, naive. If I do have a piece of<br>criticism, I guess it would center on the roles of corporate capital in<br>translating democratic outcry into actual political decisions. I'm not<br>sure about the ACTA protests, but I know in the States there has been<br>contention over whether "the Internet" (the public) or the "Tech<br>Industry" (Google, FB, etc.) were the prima movens behind SOPA being<br>shelved. This is a harder question to answer, although given the<br>11th-hour appearance of action like petitions by Google, I tend to lean<br>towards the belief that the critical mass had already been reached by<br>the time industry r<br> > eally stepped in. (Especially in light of the fact that Google's<br>earlier presence, as the only "pro-internet" group actually presenting<br>at the Congress hearing on the bill, was dismissed as alarmist and self<br>interested before it achieved the legitimate support of the public). The<br>case for the public's primary role is a bit clearer in Canada, as anyone<br>familiar with the hilarious "#TellVicEverything hashtag can attest.<br> > ><br> > > Cheers,<br> > ><br> > > Ben Klass<br> > > M.A. Student, University of Manitoba, Canada<br> > ><br> > > ________________________________<br> > > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:32:41 +0000<br> > > From: <a href="mailto:epetrovna@gmail.com" target="_blank">epetrovna@gmail.com</a><br> > > To: <a href="mailto:JDEAN@hws.edu" target="_blank">JDEAN@hws.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br> > > Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Plenary session 3 “Social Media,<br>Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian<br>Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<br> > ><br> > > Hello:)<br> > ><br> > > I find the discussion very interesting and thought-provoking.<br>However, i tend to agree with the comment made by Andrew. Facebook is<br>often criticised for its entertaining aspect (apart from the fact that<br>it belongs to capitalistic organisation, promotes commodification and<br>that people can be seen as working for free their), and that political<br>news and some attempt at civic engagement are lost in the stream of such<br>applications as Farmville. As one user, whom i interviewed observed:<br> > ><br> > > “Well, there was a group that started up and got a very large<br>number of members saying, 'We don't want the Lib-Dems to make a deal<br>with the Conservatives'. This was its title. Obviously, that wasn't<br>successful in its aim but, you know, you get these kind of things and I<br>think there is a potential there, but it needs more than potential to<br>actually happen. They’re a lot of groups like that, but they co-exist<br>with all other things like Farmville!”<br> > ><br> > > I often asked questions on my wall about how my 'friends' perceive<br>Facebook. I remember I once posted an important question about what did<br>people do on Facebook and whether they thought it could bring about some<br>social change. I was having a very interesting discussion related to<br>this question, with some of friends sharing quite deep and important<br>thoughts and then suddenly a friend of mine joined the discussion by<br>asking the following: “I am more interested to know WHY you are my age<br>but you have absolutely no wrinkles?!” This question followed a comment<br>from another user who shared some very serious observations about Facebook.<br> > ><br> > > And this is what Facebook is basically about. Important political<br>news are presented together with the latest advert from L'Oreal. One<br>friend posts an important update about the Occupy Movement while another<br>writes what she is eating for lunch. But whether it is bad or good is<br>open for discussion.<br> > ><br> > > if we look at it from the angle of popular culture, this comment of<br>my friend about my wrinkles can actually appear as 'interesting' and<br>thought provoking. It was at least for me, because as it happens, I am<br>obsessed with all kinds of beauty products and can discuss this topic<br>for ages. And that is why I actually replied to my friend and we had an<br>interesting discussion about anti-aging creams, etc. The discussion did<br>go back eventually to the topic of Facebook, but the comment of my<br>friend, if anything, allowed to inject some 'fun' into a serious topic.<br> > ><br> > > This fun aspect of Facebook is actually what allows people to read<br>some news with the means of Facebook. Maybe indeed people are more aware<br>about certain topics because they are presented in an interesting and<br>entertaining way? And maybe there is nothing wrong indeed with simply<br>clicking 'the like' button if for some people it is the first step to<br>some sort of political engagement?<br> > ><br> > > As the same user who remarked about Farmville continues:<br> > ><br> > > “...But you get this in everyday life, each of us is embedded in<br>lots of networks and has potential contacts and ties to all kinds of<br>things, and we spend an awful lot of time just in chat and discussing<br>things and chatting about things and yes, gossip. And we spend then,<br>some other pieces of time where, quite actively, we're trying to do<br>something, sometimes trying to make a difference; sometimes only a<br>difference related to ourselves or our house or planning a vacation or<br>something and sometimes dealing with local issues on a much deeper level.”<br> > ><br> > > Ekaterina Netchitailova, PhD student at Sheffield Hallam<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Dean,<br>Jodi<<a href="mailto:JDEAN@hws.edu" target="_blank">JDEAN@hws.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:JDEAN@hws.edu" target="_blank">JDEAN@hws.edu</a>>> wrote:<br> > ><br> > > Andrew's use of the term "civic use" of the internet is<br>interesting. It points to the fact that there is nothing particularly<br>revolutionary, left, liberal, or progressive about using<br> > > networked media for organizing. The convenience is convenience<br>regardless of political outlook.<br> > ><br> > > "Use of the internet" doesn't tell us anything--virtually everyone<br>and everything<br> > > uses the internet. It's what spam, porn, activists, World of<br>Warcraft, and cute kittens have in common.<br> > ><br> > > If one's view is that any kind of politics is laudable, then one<br>might celebrate this. I don't think any politics is laudable.<br> > ><br> > > Even if I did, I would still be critical of a one-sided celebration<br>of the politics of networked media. Here are just a couple of reasons:<br> > ><br> > > 1. The turn out rate for mass emailings/FB invitations is lower<br>than with direct contact.<br> > > 2. Reliance on electronic media means less direct involvement with<br>people (so, instead of going door to door and building knowledge and<br>connections first hand, one relies on a database of phone numbers).<br> > > 3. Capacities for organizing diminish: people think that all that<br>is necessary is an FB page.<br> > > 4. Political action becomes synonymous with awareness.<br> > > 5. Political action becomes seamlessly integrated with consumption<br>and entertainment; the content may be radical but the form is not.<br> > ><br> > > Jodi Dean<br> > > (not part of the conference but lurking on the list)<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > ________________________________________<br> > > From:<br><a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>> <br>[<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>>] <br>on behalf of Andrew Feenberg [<a href="mailto:feenberg@sfu.ca" target="_blank">feenberg@sfu.ca</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:feenberg@sfu.ca" target="_blank">feenberg@sfu.ca</a>>]<br> > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:17 PM<br> > > To: christian fuchs<br> > > Cc:<br><a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>><br> > > Subject: Re: [ICTs-and-Society] Plenary session 3 “Social Media,<br>Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian<br>Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<br> > ><br> > > I want us to consider a naive observation about social media. A<br>recent New Yorker article dismissed the political uses of the Internet<br>by contrasting the courage required to participate in a sit-in in the<br>60s and the triviality of signing an online petition. This sort of<br>critique of the Internet mistakes completely its significant civic role<br>which is communicative. It enables discussion and makes it cheap and<br>fast to assemble masses. I had a student write a biting critique of the<br>destructive effects of the Internet on civic culture, only to organize a<br>successful and quite large "Slut Walk" in Vancouver shortly afterwards<br>in just a week using the Internet. I went just to tease her and asked<br>her if she knew what mimeo machines and telephone trees were. She had no<br>idea. I told her this would have been her communication system when I<br>was organizing demonstrations. So, of course the Internet does not<br>"make" revolutions. But it plays a role in them just as did Khomeini's<br>cassette<br> > s or the leaflets passed around in the May Events in 1968. A total<br>government and corporate takeover of the Internet might well reduce it<br>in the future to the abject state of television, but until that happens<br>let's celebrate its positive role where we find it. I await your<br>critical counter-attack!<br> > ><br> > > ----- Original Message -----<br> > > From: "Christian<br>Fuchs"<<a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@im.uu.se" target="_blank">christian.fuchs@im.uu.se</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@im.uu.se" target="_blank">christian.fuchs@im.uu.se</a>>><br> > > To:<br><a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>><br> > > Sent: Sunday, 26 February, 2012 11:00:29 AM<br> > > Subject: [ICTs-and-Society] Plenary session 3 “Social Media,<br>Democracy and, Politics in the Information Society” (Christian<br>Christensen, Peter Dahlgren)<br> > ><br> > > In plenary session 3 of the Uppsala conference "Critique, Democracy and<br> > > Philosophy in 21st Century Information Society", Peter Dahlgren and<br> > > Christian Christensen will discuss fundamental challenges for<br> > > contemporary politics and democracy in the context of digital media.<br> > ><br> > > They ask questions like: What is transparency? How can media<br>advance the<br> > > transparency of power structures? Is transparency a viable political<br> > > goal? What is the relationship of WikiLeaks to power, transparency, and<br> > > the mainstream media? How does the relation between alternative media<br> > > and mainstream media in the age of the Internet look like? What is a<br> > > civic sphere? What is the role of the Internet for the civic sphere?<br> > > What are the political opportunities and limits posed by social media?<br> > > What is democracy today? What are the political and democratic<br> > > potentials and limits of critique today?<br> > ><br> > > Discussions and comments on these contributions are welcome.<br> > ><br> > > Best, CF<br> > ><br> > > CHRISTIAN CHRISTENSEN<br> > > Uppsala University, Sweden<br> > > WikiLeaks: Mainstreaming Transparency?<br> > > ABSTRACT: In the period shortly after the release of the “Collateral<br> > > Murder” video, “Afghanistan War Logs” and “Iraq War Logs”, it appeared<br> > > that WikiLeaks had done something that many had thought unlikely: the<br> > > insertion of a radical critique of US military and geo-political power<br> > > into mainstream popular discourse (particularly in the US). While The<br> > > Guardian, New York Times and Der Spiegel (the three newspapers<br>chosen by<br> > > WikiLeaks for the release of the first leaks) are not the newspapers of<br> > > choice for many in the US, UK and Germany, the very presence of the<br> > > material on their front pages opened up the possibility that the murky<br> > > world of US power might now be forced to concede ground to transparency<br> > > advocates. In this paper, I address the often contentious<br> > > WikiLeaks-mainstream media collaboration, and the potential impact of<br> > > this relationship upon the evolution of transparency as a political<br> > > philosophy.<br> > ><br> > > SPEAKER INFO: Christian Christensen is Professor of Media and<br> > > Communications Studies in the Department of Informatics and Media at<br> > > Uppsala University, Sweden. His primary area of research is in the use<br> > > of social media during times of war and conflict, but he has also<br> > > published on the representation of Islam, post 9/11 documentary film,<br> > > and international journalism.<br> > ><br> > > ***<br> > ><br> > > PETER DAHLGREN<br> > > Lund University, Sweden<br> > > Social Media and the Civic Sphere: Crisis, Critique and the Future of<br> > > Democracy<br> > > ABSTRACT: While the advent of social media has already had a<br>significant<br> > > impact on people’s daily lives, it has also come to alter the character<br> > > of the civic sphere, i.e., the broad social terrain of citizens’<br> > > activities.<br> > > Thus, social media in their various forms quickly became incorporated<br> > > into discourses about democracy and the political. Clearly, social<br>media<br> > > can play a useful role in the advancement of democracy, but it is<br>by now<br> > > quite clear that they offer no simple solution to the ills that beset<br> > > contemporary democracy. On the one hand they can just as readily be<br>used<br> > > for purposes that are anti-democratic, on the other hand – and in a<br>more<br> > > complex perspective – the contingencies of late modern capitalism<br> > > generate a variety of conditions that intercede, in problematic ways,<br> > > between even progressive “produser-citizens” and the advancement of<br> > > democracy via social media. These contingencies have to do with a<br>number<br> > > of factors, including power relations at different societal levels<br> > > (including the growing separation between power and formal politics),<br> > > the imperatives of consumer society, late modern cultural currents of<br> > > individualism, and the architecture and political economy of the net<br> > > itself and its Web 2.0 affordances. As the global crisis deepens, these<br> > > contingencies become more pronounced.<br> > > This presentation will highlight and exemplify these aspects, arguing<br> > > that research needs to become more alert to such obstacles in regard to<br> > > social media’s role and potential in cultivating the civic sphere. Even<br> > > the notion of democracy – too often deployed as incantation – needs<br> > > critical interrogation to elucidate its multiple and at times contested<br> > > ideals.<br> > > In this regard, the latter part of the discussion will probe the notion<br> > > of critique, suggesting that there is a methodological dimension that<br> > > can be retrieved and applied to social conditions, practices, and<br> > > discourses for progressive political purposes. The concept of critique<br> > > of course remains multivalent; I focus on the lineage from Hegel’s idea<br> > > of the critical reflection on unnecessary constraints on human freedom.<br> > > Its concern is with “emancipation”.<br> > > Historically, various intellectual and political movements on the Left<br> > > have used the no-ion of critique. Today, however, the concept seems to<br> > > have lost its punch, due to the decline of the Left, the rise of<br> > > neoliberalism, the growing social uncertainties, the ironic<br> > > sensibilities of liquid modernity, and not least the current global<br> > > crisis, in which no clear political alternative has emerged to<br>galvanise<br> > > the many heterogeneous strands of opposition.<br> > > I intend to explore the notion of critique as it still can be found in<br> > > the writings of a number of contemporary theorists – Laclau and Mouffe,<br> > > Boltanski, Bauman, and Žižek – and extract some common threads. These<br> > > will be applied to social media and the civic sphere, against the<br> > > background of the current crisis, with an eye towards reinvigorating<br> > > critique as an intellectual endeavour. Also, I will briefly address the<br> > > notion of ‘emancipation’ to see what useful meaning can be<br>elucidated in<br> > > regard to our contemporary horizons.<br> > ><br> > > SPEAKER INFO: Peter Dahlgren is Professor Emeritus at Lund University,<br> > > Department of Media and Communications Studies. His research focuses on<br> > > democracy, the evolution of the media, and contemporary socio-cultural<br> > > processes, including identity formation.<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Discussion mailing list<br> > ><br><a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>><br> > ><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Discussion mailing list<br> > ><br><a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>><br> > ><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Discussion mailing list<br> > ><br><a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a>><br> > ><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing<br>list <a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Discussion mailing list<br> > > <a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br> > ><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > - - -<br> > Christian Fuchs<br> > Unified Theory of Information Research Group<br> > <a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@uti.at" target="_blank">christian.fuchs@uti.at</a><br> > <a href="http://www.uti.at" target="_blank">http://www.uti.at</a><br> > Personal: <a href="http://fuchs.uti.at" target="_blank">http://fuchs.uti.at</a><br> > NetPolitics Blog: <a href="http://fuchs.uti.at/blog" target="_blank">http://fuchs.uti.at/blog</a><br> > Editor of tripleC: <a href="http://www.triple-c.se" target="_blank">http://www.triple-c.se</a><br> > Chair of ESA RN18-Sociology of Communications and Media Research<br> > ICTs and Society Network: <a href="http://www.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://www.icts-and-society.net</a><br> ><br> > Chair in Media and Communication Studies<br> > Department of Informatics and Media<br> > Uppsala University<br> > Kyrkogårdsgatan 10<br> > Box 513<br> > 751 20 Uppsala<br> > Sweden<br> > <a href="mailto:christian.fuchs@im.uu.se" target="_blank">christian.fuchs@im.uu.se</a><br> > Tel <a href="tel:%2B46%20%280%29%2018%20471%201019" target="_blank">+46 (0) 18 471 1019</a><br> > <a href="http://fuchs.uti.at" target="_blank">http://fuchs.uti.at</a><br> > <a href="http://www.im.uu.se" target="_blank">http://www.im.uu.se</a><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > Discussion mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br> ><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">Discussion@lists.icts-and-society.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net" target="_blank">http://lists.icts-and-society.net/listinfo.cgi/discussion-icts-and-society.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>