[ICTs-and-Society] statement of alternative informatics about gezi park and social media

[Andrew Feenberg]

The May Events involved the most radical social movement and the most developed student-worker alliance in a developed country in the post-war period. Matze's claims seem to me based on his criticism of contemporary movements rather than on historical reality. I am attaching a leaflet, one of hundreds, that testifies to that reality. I urge anyone actually curious about this history to study it rather than interpreting it as a contemporary movement, which it definitely was not.

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From: "Christian Fuchs" <christian.fuchs at uti.at>
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Hi list,

Just want to say that it is good to see some discussion going on again...

Best, Christian

On 09/07/2013 15:02, Matze Schmidt wrote:
> _contemporary struggle [not =] historical struggle_: true, but these
> situations and intensifications have patterns related to the general
> social constitution(s) and if one wants to learn from history (e.g.
> Hegel's rejection of learning from history has its meta-meaning in
> learning from the im-possibility of this approach) one can see
> parallels. The petit bourgeois and pseudo self-(un)employed rebellion
> called democratic movement in Turkey has its compounds, its "social
> groups". Instead of a hassle with media and its role these compounds,
> namely humans in relationships and social connections, will decide. The
> idea of media as media and a discourse of means as such will only lead
> to a closed up systemtheory-discourse. When one denies production of
> economical thoughts it ends in media-theory ;)
>
>> I do not think you know what happened. It was
>> not like any contemporary struggle.
>
>>> We have a comparable situation in Turkey (as perhaps always): Here _the_
>>> students as protesters cleaning streets, there ... .
>
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